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    Posted: 21 Sep 2009 at 11:21am
Originally posted by Gilly

 
PS Again it's a 67 so silver clad, and the obverse looks very nice, no distortion, no signs of trauma, either at the mint or at the mercy of some idle hands, I would call it AU or EF with a bunch of plus signs on the condition of the obverse.


Interesting. It's possible for errors and various die flaws to effect only the obverse, or only the reverse, which also makes me think it's a mint error, and not just some bored guy with too much time on his hands. If it was intentional, they would have most likely annihilated both obverse and reverse.

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I keep trying to look at it as though it is a die clash, comparing the obverse side (inverted) over the reverse design and seeing if I can pick out anything I can tell for sure. I just can't though. OH and wouldn't the obverse also be damaged? The obverse looks just fine.
However (and I might be talking myself in to this) I almost think I am able to pick up on a few details in the damage that seem to be the eye area and ear area of the obverse.
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(I just posted that previous post. I had it on my computer awhile while I was looking some more.)
I grabbed another KHD, and it almost does look like the design elements/shapes I can pick out might be more related to the reverse of a KHD rather than the obverse.
One of the noticeable items that caught my eye is above the left claw (the one with the olive branch). There should be a fairly smooth area, bordered by the bottom leaves of the olive branch, the top of the leg (included the feathered area, what I would describe as "the drumstick", and the bottom feathers, the closest to the eagles body. That area is roughly outlined, although it is not smooth inside those boundaries. The 3 toes of the claw are plainly visible in the proper area. The branch (the part the eagle has in his claw) is visible but looks somewhat distorted, almost too much definition. I can just vaguely make out what I think is the zig-zag of the eagles wing feathers.
I know a bit about mechanics, I can understand the process of making a coin, but not a lot of the possible errors. Could the obverse die just fail? Could something have gotten between the planchet and die?
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How about solder? One guy I showed it to says it looks like it was soldered onto something. I went to another place, recommended by the first place I went to, where the guy is supposed to be knowledgeable about error coins. But the "specialist" wasn't in.
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Originally posted by Gilly

How about solder? One guy I showed it to says it looks like it was soldered onto something. I went to another place, recommended by the first place I went to, where the guy is supposed to be knowledgeable about error coins. But the "specialist" wasn't in.
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It's not a solder. Solders leaved the surface relatively undistorted, but, give it a ring around the center, that looks burnt, or sometimes like black "Goop", but, it's nothing like this, I'll post a picture of a soldered coin, if I can find one.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2009 at 9:07am
Okay, it's not a great example, but, it's a solder, look at the black marks near the top. See, it doesn't leave the surface distorted. I'm still unsure.

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I don't have a picture, not even a red "X" box.
I will make a further attempt to take it to that one expert in my area, I could also spend some money to have a true error expert examine it (that guy that wrote a book on errors, who also does a magazine or newsletter on errors).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 2009 at 10:09pm
What appears on your coin is a substance somebody  deliberatly did glue on the surface and this is post mint damage.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2009 at 8:47am
Did you try acetone to remove any foreign substance?
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Hi,

The coin appears to be damaged.  If I had to guess,  I would also say that a dip in acetone would remove what is there.  It looks like an adhesive of some sort that left a residue on the coin.  Perhaps the coin was glued to something.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2009 at 12:49am
 Yes it's damge all right 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2009 at 3:44am
Originally posted by Gilly

I don't have a picture, not even a red "X" box.
I will make a further attempt to take it to that one expert in my area, I could also spend some money to have a true error expert examine it (that guy that wrote a book on errors, who also does a magazine or newsletter on errors).

Gilly

Did you find anything out yet? Thanks
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